The finished size of the roses using 14 count fabric is 3.7 x 5.2 inches. Using 20 count fabric the finished size is 2.6 x 3.7 inches. I always use a calculator or figure out sizes using paper and pencil. I forgot that when you use the fabric calculator it always adds in extra fabric for finishing. SORRY.

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Hope this makes the answer clearer. This is my advice as a member of this chat. If you need further assistance I suggest that you contact Customer Service on Monday morning. I would not like to be responsible for you ordering the wrong thing.